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Weekly Writing & Blogs – Page 46 – WRT120 F2019 Prof Randall Cream

response to David Heffron

Freire compares students to containers, which can affect them negatively.  Most teachers when teaching just stand up in front of the room and give lectures. Not every student is able to learn like that. Everyone has different ways of learning. So, one student could become a “full container” by the end of the class and others could just be “half way full”. Every teacher should want to help the students learn more and not just stop learning because they are “full”.  Teachers and students should work together to come up with ways to make students learn more. Teachers think that standing in front of the class and talking to them is helpful, when in reality students aren’t learning as much as the teachers think they are. Most students want to keep learning, but it’s hard for them because they eventually become “full”. Although students can become “full” at different times,  they all become “full” at some point and eventually have to empty out. When students “empty out” they forget everything they have already learned. 

  Bella D,  David H, Nick P, Noah H, Maddie B, Jason R 

Noah Heslop

Jason R

David H

Bella D

Maddie B

Nick P

Teachers expect students to grow based on memorization and repetition. It would be more beneficial for the teachers to learn more about how students retain knowledge instead of how they traditionally teach. That being said, it is difficult for teachers to meet each student’s needs when it comes to understanding a certain subject. Freire explains how students are “containers” and we need to be filled with knowledge. Teachers play an important role in student’s lives because they can inspire you to learn and it’s important for them to push you. Both the student and teacher need to work together to achieve their goals because students and most people in general are bad with memorization. Experience and hands on learning needs to be incorporated more with today’s education due to the facts that when something is engaging, it tends to lure students in. If students are exposed to interactive learning, it’ll be more memorable based on action instead of pure memorization.

Response to Sabrina

Gabby learn
Timothy D
Kyle O
Sarah V

Teachers talk about reality tho it’s predictable opposite has students

In my discussion group today the topic was how Freire describes teachers as being very “opposites” from the students. We talked about how this makes students not able to express creativity. We also discussed how Freire states how misguided the education system and that he stays students are basically containers because students don’t learn anything, we just store information. He compares students as slaves and they never discovery that they teach the teacher. So students are misguided that teachers don’t learn new things from teachers, so they get not recognition. Students are unable to be their own person because they are already attempted to the world. We talked about it makes sense he thinks these thoughts due to the time period it was written in, the 1970. Are topic of discussion also led us into mentioning the “Banking concept of education” that we as students just take in deposits of information the teacher is saying. We don’t understand why he says teachers know everything and students know nothing. Teachers think we know nothing to make it easier for them to explain lessons and teach, students know stuff but teachers act like we don’t.

Discussion group 1

Timothy Domanowski

The group I met with was Kyle, Sarah, Sabrina, Gabby, Raby, and Christian G. Gabby started with telling what she thought of the text which was that students and teachers are opposites. Kyle said that the teachers don’t allow creativity. As well that the teachers purpose is to teach and the students is to learn what is being taught to them. Sarah said that from he experience that teachers are doing better of not simply telling information to the student, I agree with this for I also experienced teachers that were more friendly towards students and tried to improve the learning experience trying to teach more or faster. Sarah also brought up that treating students as containers is not a good way to describe or treat students. Sabrina brought up how unlike slaves the teacher never realize that they learn from the students as well. Over all we agreed that this look of the student teacher relationship looks different now for at least most teachers and that it is usually the older teachers which are like this with the younger teachers don’t act like described in the reading. We also agreed that his look is probably due to it being written in 1970s which would explain why the type of teachers that are described are not seen often due to most likely them retiring from teaching and new teachers taking their place.

Response to David Heffron

Group: David H, Bella D, Maddie B, Nick P, Noah H

It compares students to containers by teachers just lecturing the entire time and students just retaining the information. After a while the container will eventually be filled, and you will start to lose the information. This negatively impact their learning abilities by them forgetting what they were even listening to. This is turning into memorization instead of actually learning. Teachers don’t necessarily understand the fact that all students have more than just their class and they also have other information that they have to retain. Some Gen Ed professors give the most work even though it is only a class that students are made to take. Students major classes don’t give as much work as Gen Ed courses. So for the simple fact that we need more hands on learning instead of PowerPoint lectures would be helpful in the educational atmosphere. This way students don’t get bored and they are engaged in their classes because like I stated before, once the container is filled and starts to overflow is when students struggle the most. Especially if there is more than one class. 

Discussion group

Discussion group

Nik P. Jason R. Maddie B. Bella B. Noah H. 

Freire compares students to containers because they dont learn anything and they just store info in their brain like a container. One comparison I made was to a file cabinet, a brain is the same way you can only hold so much in it till you have to empty what you already had or get a new one losing all that old information. It is bad for students because they’re never going to hold onto information they learned in the past. As freire also said, students way of “learning” is just repetition over and over until they memorize it. They will never retain any of this information. I think a way a teacher and student can work together is to think of a different way to teach. It says in the writing that teachers see students as very dumb and they are superior to them. If they didn’t think this way and actually tried to help the students learn by being more hands on instead of just lecturing over and over until the students memorize the material, it would make it a much better learning experience for students. 

Freire compares students to containers

The people at this discussion were Maddie B. Jason R. David H. Bella D. Nick P. Noah H.

Freire compares students to a container which can negatively impact their learning. If you compare a student to a container, they can be expected to cram a lot of information in a short amount of time. Students have many classes a day and have to memorize many facts and statements said by their teachers in that class. I think sometimes teachers forget that students are in many classes and can easily become a “full container” in just one class. I believe that a lecture is an ineffective way to teach a student, as it can be harder to memorize so much information. If students were more engaged in the lesson, they may be more motivated to learn. This might also help the student to retain the information better, as they can remember what they were doing and how they were involved in the topic, rather than all the information that was said to them in a large class setting. Students and teachers should work together to allow the student to participate in the topic being discussed that day in order to allow the student to engage in the topic.

Response to Olivia Vearling-

Today in my discussion group my classmates and I talked about the topic “The teachers know everything and the students know nothing” on “The ‘Banking’ Concept of Education” by Paulo Freire. during the discussion we all gave our opinions on the topic then tried to relate how we think present day classes with a teacher are like now to what they should be. In my opinion I stated that being in a classroom nowadays can be very diverse. By this I mean it really matters who your teacher/professor is. In some of my classes I feel as if the environment can be more dictated but on the other hand I also have classes where the whole classroom is involved not just the professor being the only one talking. I feel as if a classroom with everyone involved creates a more comfortable place for students like me to actually pay attention. Teachers very much do have more intellect on the topic of the subject but if the teacher actually gets the students involved and communicating, they could have a better understanding of who their students actually are and how they like to be taught. If a generic teacher just thinks of there students as just learners and not people then the odds of you actually getting close with that student and creating a bond to where you can actually reach out to them and change the way they think on a certain subject is very low. Teachers need to realize that a classroom is meant to be communicative and guiding. Once that is realized teachers will understand that teaching is an art not a job.

Discussion Group Names- Olivia Vearling, Jeff Biancaniello, David Macmullen, Sam Livornl, Amanda Regan, Gwen Jordan, Maura Kelly, Caitlin Mangini, Laura Mcgroary, and Hailey Clark.

Response for Memorization Group

In today’s discussion group, we talked about memorization and its benefits to students, as well as its disadvantages. The question at hand was “in high school or college, do you feel as though you are being taught or only being taught to memorize?”.

We came to the conclusion that we were taught to memorize in high school more than college. In high school, we were forced to be there and felt like teachers only taught us what we needed to know and memorize in order to get good grades and graduate. Basically, we were just “getting through it”. We also agreed that once we learned what we needed to for tests, it was all forgotten after because we only memorized it, and did not fully understand what it was that we were learning. In college, it’s different because students want to pursue a further education and be successful, so the information they learn isn’t just memorized, it’s retained for much longer.

However, memorization does have its advantages. In certain careers such as nursing and medicine, you will need to have a good memorization of anatomy and how to do certain procedures. Memorizing can also help you get good grades, whether you choose to retain that information after the fact or not. On the other hand, memorization can have its disadvantages because it doesn’t teach us how to study properly. If we just memorize everything, we tend to forget it after, so it’s like we never really learned anything at all.

Members: Ava H, Rj W, Sam W, Tj F, Lauren B, Katherine S

response for memorization group

Today in my discussion group we discussed if students are being taught or if they are being taught to memorize. Most people in the group agreed that in high school we all memorized the information we were taught because we were forced to be there and most of the things we were taught we will never need in our lives. College students are paying for an education, rather than being forced to go to school like high school. If you are in college it is because you want to be there, to learn and succeed. Learning the topics that we are taught will be more helpful in the long run, rather than memorizing them for a short amount of time to then forget them after being tested. You must learn things to fully understand what is going on and be able to build on from it. College students are going to school so that they can start a career. They still may not be taking classes they always want but they are made so that you can get somewhere and it is something they themselves are interested in. In the end, if you want to get information out of something you are better off applying yourself and learning it.

Group: Ava H, Rj W, Tj F, Kira A, Lauren B, Katherine S

Response to Olivia Vearling

In today’s discussion my group talked about the article, “Banking Concepts of Education” by Paulo Freire. We had discussed whether or not we agreed with the statement that teachers know everything, and the students know nothing. As a group we discussed that teachers should stop having the students memorizing information, and instead have them retain it. The teachers think that having the students repeat information will make them know it, and in most cases that is correct, but they don’t know how to apply the information. We also brought up the fact that the author made it seem like an oppressed society. He painted the picture as the teacher being the tyrant and the students are like the slaves. For example, the students lack creativity because they are unable to learn the way they want because the teacher has all the power. Teachers lecture because it is easier to get information across rather than engaging the students because it is less work for them. In conclusion, the banking concept has students only learn from repetition, and does not teach the students the right information. Discussion included: Jeff Biancaniello,David Macmullen,Sam Livorno,Amanda Regan,Gwen Jordan ,Maura Kelly,Caitlin Mangini,Seamus Corkery ,Luara Mcgroary,Hailey Clark 

Memorization Group Response

Today my group discussed how memorizing content while in high school very well could have affected our learning style as we begin at a higher level of education. As many people will experience, transitioning from high school to college can be a challenging adjustment. With that being said, many students must adapt to another learning and studying style. While in high school it is almost too easy to memorize the information that is being thrown at us, after all, once that unit is over the subject is barely touched on again. This gives students a reason to memorize information only so they can excel on an exam. College on the other hand is far different. College is a choice for most people, and we are expected to want to learn about the information we are given because it will help us build onto the knowledge we need for a desired job. A college student must learn the content that they are given rather than just memorizing because these topics will never go away. Once your major is declared, the courses that you take will only be beneficial information that you must know for your career. Memorizing is a very easy way to get through; but in order to completely understand the information we are given, you must learn the content.

People in group: Lauren B, Ava H, Kira A, TJ F, Sam W, RJ W.

Discussion #1 Memorization in High school

Memorization, how it benefits a student, and how it disadvantages a student.

Leader Ava Hill

Followers TJ Fitzpatrick, RJ W, Sam W, Kira A, Lauren B, Kathy S

Today we talked about the memorization and how especially in high school you were programmed to memorialize opposed to getting hands on experience and training about how the world works. In high school the teachers only want you to go to the next level and don’t really help plan your future. High school is based on a mandatory curriculum that you must take and is filled with basic courses that you most likely will never use again. High school you learn subjects and courses only for the purpose of saying you learned it with no further meaning after high school. There are some beneficial aspects to high school memorization such as science if you chose to go down a career path in medicine etc. Most high schools learn a unit and then never go back to that unit so mesmerizing it just to pass the test becomes pointless. In conclusion the group spent most of the time discussing the lack of preparation most high schools give their students prior to sending them off into their futures.

Response for Memorization group

My group talked about the significance of memorization and it’s usefulness in both high school and college. In high school, the curriculum wasn’t as challenging which allowed students to just pass classes with memorization. In college, you’re kinda forced to study and understand the information in order to pass the test and the class. Memorization is beneficial to some extent because you use it every day remembering homework and what you need to get done, but its not beneficial in the long run. In high school, going through units and information memorizing it for the test is pointless because as soon as you take the test all the information is forgotten about. In college, the professors want you to understand the information and you should want to understand it as well considering you’re paying for the class. High school teachers are more lenient on information because most of the classes are general education classes that everyone needs to take. In college you get to confine your classes down to what best suits you and learn the information that will help benefit your future.

People: Ava H, Sam W, TJ F, Kira A, Lauren B, Katherine S

Response to Olivia Vearling

In today’s discussion group we talked about the Banking Concept of education. Specifically, the statement of the teacher knows everything and the students know nothing. We discussed how teachers act as if students no nothing, because it’s the easiest way for them to teach. For example, it is much simpler for a teacher to lecture a group of students then to actually engage with them in conversation about the material. Due to this, some students are not retaining or absorbing any information, and instead just writing everything they hear. The students may be able to memorize the information, but they aren’t thinking about its true meaning. The group also commented on how the article describes a society where students are forced to suppress their creativity because they only participate in their teachers’ way of learning. With the Banking Concept of Education, students are simply repeating and memorizing a teacher’s words, and aren’t actually learning new information. 

Olivia Vearling led this discussion and the group members present were Mikayla Medycki, David Macnullen, Jeff Biancaniello, Maura Kelly, Gwen Jordan, Shamus Corkery, Cait Mangeni, Laura Mcgroary, Sam Zicorno, Amanda Regan, and myself. 

Response to Olivia Vearling

Today’s discussion was led by Olivia Vearling and followed by David Macmullen, Jeff Biancaniello, Gwen Jordan, Maura Kelly, Makayla Medycki, Sam Livorno, Cait Mangini, Laura McGroary, Seamus Corkery, Haley Clark, and myself. We discussed the idea that “teachers know everything, and students know nothing”. We talked about how teachers do not always focus on their students understanding the content but instead just using memorization as a way of learning. This effects the point of teachers knowing everything and the students know nothing because they are not properly being taught the material to help them understand and learn the topics. During our discussion, a topic was brought up that students have a hard time expressing their creativity because they are forced to abide by the way the teachers lead the topics versus the students taking some control and having actual interaction with every lesson to really help them understand the topics that are being taught. It forces a wall to go up because some students feel they can not express their creativity because they are taught to go by the teacher. Many teachers use lectures as a way of teaching rather than engaging with the students to bring out a different side of them. That is why this idea that students know nothing is expressed in our society because they can not fully grasp the content without actual interaction and bringing their own personalities into each lesson. Students do have strong knowledge of certain topics, but teachers have to engage in order to provide full understanding of what is being taught.

Olivia Vearling Discussion

The discussion topic for the group was based off a statement from “The ‘Banking’ Concept of Education”, written by Paulo Freire. The statement was “the teacher knows everything and the student knows nothing”. The statement itself allows the reader to begin associating a classroom with an oppressed society, in which the tyrant, who knows all, sees all, hears all, is the teacher and the student, who only listens because they are either forced to or feel they cannot live without guidance, is the slave or servant. In the class room, students do not have a say to what is being taught or how it is taught. They have to not only learn new information but also have to learn how the teacher teaches and adjust to their habits. Due to how arbitrary the statement is, it cannot be agreeable and should not be used to describe a classroom setting, especially in today’s society.

Discussion group included: Mikayla Medycki, David Macmullen, Jeff Biancia, Maura Kelly, Gwen Jordan, Shamus Corckery, Cait Mangeni, Laura Mcgroary, Haley Clark, Amanda Reegan, and Sam Livorno.

Response to Olivia Vearling

Today in the writing discussion about Paulo Freire’s “The Banking Concept of Education“, we discussed how each of us personally felt about Freire’s opinion on the education system. Olivia Vearling led this discussion and David Macmullen, Jeff Biancaniello, Maura Kelly, Makayla Medycki, Sam Zicorno, Cait Mangini, Laura McGroary, Seamus Corkery, Haley Clark, Amanda Regan, and I followed on September 5, 2019.

A point that was brought up was that teachers should make sure students are understanding what is being taught. A student should not be seen as a listening object. The reason the teachers are there is because the students make it possible for them to be. The teachers should care about what they are teaching, and it should not just be a narration. Narration is lifeless and adds to the process of memorization. The education system reminded everyone of a suppressed society and the teachers just force students to abide by their way of teaching. The teacher does not care about how the students need to learn. In this ‘banking’ education style, teachers only care about doing what is easiest and just lecturing to get it over with rather than actually caring if the students are gaining information.

Response Liv Vearling

Make sure that the students are retaining the information and not just memorizing it. The teachers are like tyrants and the students are slaves because they can’t do anything else except just listen to the teacher. Their creativity is suppressed by not being able to express themselves . A lot of teachers just lecture to the students and do less work for themselves. Many teachers have kids just read their material and make them memorize their content. The students are treated like robots in the way they are learning the material. We talked about that students need more time so they can express how they feel through their work. The teachers should be able to connect with the students in class. Teachers need to spend more time while grading test to make sure that the students are understanding the information being taught. Many students can get nervous when asking questions in class because they don’t want to sound behind anyone else. Liv Vearling led the discussions. The people who were there were: David Macmullen, Jeff Biancaniello, Gwen Jordan, Makayla Medycki, Sam Zivorno, Cait Mangini, Laura McGroary, Seamus Corkery, Haley Clark and Amanda Regan. 

response to Olivia Vearling

olivia vearling, sam livorno, makayla medycki, David Macnullen, Maura Kelly, Gwen Jordan, seamus corkery, Laura Mgroary, Haley Clark

At this discussion we talked about how students are basically just robots that are taught to memorize and retain information, while teachers barely put in any effort. Someone mentioned how it was kind of like a suppressed society, where none of the students could really show their creativity or express it in any way, since the teacher basically just lectures and does nothing else. The teacher doesn’t take time to make sure the kids understand, they just talk and make the students retain information. In my opinion, some kids are not good at memorization, so they may be labeled as “bad students”, however they just can’t memorize that well. We also talked about how teachers should try different teaching styles so they can figure out what works best for their specific class or specific student. If they put in the effort and really care about their students, the students are absolutely going to do well. But when some teachers just don’t care and lecture, then they can’t guarantee their students will succeed.